The Legal System Will Not Save the Planet

By Max Wilbert

As the world moves further into a state of climate crisis, it’s imperative that we study and critique the strategies being proposed to address greenhouse gas emissions, and develop our own strategies based on rigorous assessment of their effectiveness.

Many of the strategies currently being pursued by the mainstream environmental movement hinge on courts and on legislative change.  This article will examine one these strategies—the “climate trust” lawsuits brought by the group Our Children’s Trust—in some detail. First, however, we must review a basic framework of how the court system, and more fundamentally, the legal system in general, serves ruling class interests within capitalism.

From early English laws like the Statutes of Merton and Westminster that authorized enclosure of the commons, to the Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493 which authorized the Doctrine of Discovery and the conquest and colonization of non-Christian lands west of the Azores, law within capitalism has always been an exercise in justifying systematic theft.

These ancient foundations continue to underlie law. For example, in the United States the Johnson v. M’Intosh Supreme Court case of 1823 is regarded as the foundation of modern property law and studied by nearly every law student. In the unanimous decision, Chief Justice John Marshall wrote that “the whole theory of their titles to lands in America, rests upon the hypothesis, that the Indians had no right of soil as sovereign, independent states. Discovery is the foundation of title, in European nations, and this overlooks all proprietary rights in the natives.”[i]

What is the Purpose of Law within Capitalism?

French Liberal School economist and laissez faire advocate Frederic Bastiat provided one of the most concise definitions of law within capitalism. “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society,” he wrote in 1850, “over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”[ii]

With this statement, Bastiat was attempting to critique socialism and collectivist tendencies. Marx, a contemporary of Bastiat, called him “The shallowest and therefore the most successful representative of the apologists of vulgar economics.” But Bastiat has inadvertently provided a functional description of law within capitalism.

In a similar manner, the free-market advocate, New York Times columnist, and Iraq War crusader Thomas Friedman inadvertently described the link between imperialist warfare and free-market capitalism perfectly when he wrote in the New York Times Magazine in 1999 that “[t]he hidden hand of the market will never work without the hidden fist. McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for silicon valley’s technologies to flourish is called the US army, air force, navy, and Marine Corps.”[iii]

Friedman’s piece argued for “sustainable globalization” which “cannot be maintained without the active [military] involvement of the United States,” and explicitly argued for increased cooperation between U.S. corporations and military.

The Institutionalization of Organized Theft

Critics of globalized capitalism agree with Friedman’s linkage of corporate power and military hegemony, but to borrow Bastiat’s term, see these entities as facilitating the plunder that defines modern capitalism, not ushering in Friedman’s neoliberal fantasy. Military aggression and economic colonization were the foundation of imperial power in Bastiat’s time, just as they are today.  Today’s capitalist societies have evolved their methods. Instead of legalized chattel slavery,[iv] the United States now has a slave-like prison system and the global economy is fully dependent on systematic labor exploitation. Some of the most lasting impacts of globalization include the outsourcing of jobs to poor nations with artificially deflated labor costs, the outsourcing of pollution to what Lawrence Summers called “underpolluted” nations, and the explosion of international trade. All of this is facilitated by the IMF and World Bank, which leverage development loans to systematically privatize the wealth and dismantle social and environmental regulations within poor nations. Altogether, this organized theft leads to an average wealth transfer of roughly $2 trillion per year from poor countries to rich countries, not counting externalities.[v]

The accelerating extraction of wealth from the poor has been matched by similar growth in destructive theft from the planet. Extraction of primary resources—timber, foodstuffs, ore, fossil fuels, water, etc.—has tripled over the past 40 years to more than 70 billion tonnes annually.[vi] Greenhouse gas emissions have doubled since 1980, and more than 1 million species are threatened with extinction, threatening to unravel the ecological basis of life on this planet.[vii] Human disconnection from the natural world is at an all-time high as business privatizes even our most intimate private lives with pornography, dating apps, and ubiquitous data gathering.

By realistic economic measures, the owners of society are wealthier than ever and inequality is reaching record levels.[viii] And as Bastiat described, this arrangement of power is undergirded by a legal structure that authorizes and glorifies this exploitation.

The United States—still the epicenter of imperial power, despite a steady decline in influence since the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001—provides illustrative examples. The extraction of profits from workers and the land is the bedrock principle of American law. The idea that workers should be in control of their own communities and benefit from the work they and their neighbors do is not even a topic of discussion in courtrooms and legislative halls. Nature is owned and managed as property. The idea that nature should be respected as the source of all human goods and life is, at best, commodified into the ideology of “natural capitalism”, while true deep ecology ideals—that nature exists and has value for it’s own sake, on it’s own terms—remain fringe positions.

The Legal System as an Arena of Political Change

Movements for justice have always used the legal system and the courts as arenas of political struggle. The Civil Rights movement, the Feminist movement, the Labor movement, and the Environmental movement have all won significant victories in courtrooms. The feminist legal scholar Catherine MacKinnon, who is credited with the legal recognition of sexual harassment as a form of sex discrimination, wrote in collaboration with Andrea Dworkin that “law organizes power.”[ix]

Given the current supremacy of the capitalist state, the courts are an important arena of political struggle. To concede this legal battleground to reactionaries could be suicidal. But to rely only on legal methods is also a flawed strategy. Legal reform has never proved able to do more than slow the progression of capital’s death march.

The Voting Rights Act has now been dismantled, reversing a key gain of the Civil Rights Movement.[x] Roe v. Wade, which established Federal legality of abortion, has been under incessant attack for decades. Countless state laws have closed abortion clinics, limited funding, and attacked the principle of female bodily autonomy via more than 400 laws in the last 9 years alone.[xi] With the new Supreme Court, it’s likely Roe will be completely overturned. The Clean Water Act is currently being gutted.[xii] Union membership is at an all-time low as “right-to-work” laws proliferate, undermining the effectiveness of even bourgeois workplace organizing efforts.[xiii] This reflects global efforts to undermine minimum wages and other basic labor protections.[xiv]

Recently, environmentalists in the United States and elsewhere are testing a set of innovative legal strategies. These include the group “Our Children’s Trust,” which is filing lawsuits against the federal government for failing to uphold the “public trust doctrine,” a legal principle that the government is responsible for managing public resources for the benefit of the public.  Our Children’s Trust is attempting to expand the purview of the trust doctrine to include the climate, and thus potentially force the U.S. government to fight climate change.

But the flaw in this plan is  obvious right away: the U.S. government, like all capitalist states, has never existed to wisely steward public resources, but rather to facilitate their exploitation for private gain. In truth, even most socialist states have fallen victim to industrial arms races with capitalist societies or to an industrial productivism that values development of industry as the highest good, and have thus fallen well short of this ideal.

Rights of Nature, the Trust Doctrine, and The Necessity Defense

The trust doctrine approach is just one of the innovative legal strategies being pursued by the environmental movement today. Two others are the Rights of Nature movement, and the push for the “climate necessity defense.” The rights of nature movement seeks to expand basic rights, such as personhood, to non-human ecosystems. The necessity defense is the legal principle that it is sometimes legal to break the law in order to prevent a greater harm; the classic example is breaking a window to save a child from a home that is on fire. It has been used to defend protestors in a few high-profile cases of civil disobedience.[xv]

These legal strategies aim to advance ecological struggles by providing protections for ecosystems, by forcing changes in U.S. and international law to curtail global warming, and by protecting political dissidents.

Can they succeed? And what would success look like?

I argue that these efforts, while laudable, will not lead to significant change because of structural barriers. For example, let’s imagine that the “Our Children’s Trust” lawsuit was successful, and U.S. courts recognized the obligation of the federal government to safeguard climate stability, and ordered emissions reductions of, for example, 80 percent by 2030 and 100 percent by 2050. And let’s suppose they choose to implement the methods proposed by Our Children’s Trust.

Our Children’s Trust proposes a three-pronged strategy for halting global warming.[xvi] First, they call for 100 gigatons of carbon sequestration via reforestation, perennial agriculture, and soil conservation. Second, they call for reducing emissions by “designing our cities for walking and biking, investing in mass transit, constructing high-performance energy efficient buildings, transitioning to 100% clean energy, shifting to green manufacturing and durable products, and adopting restorative forestry and farming practices.” Finally, they propose fees on carbon pollution and ending subsidies to the fossil fuel industry.

Their first category of solutions is admirable, as long as “reforestation” is not twisted to mean expanding the monocrop plantations of industrial forestry. But as I exhaustively detail in my forthcoming book Bright Green Lies, their second category, technological solutions, is woefully insufficient for addressing global climate destabilization.

The Failure of Green Technology

According to the work of sociologist Richard York, renewable energy today rarely actually displaces fossil fuels. Instead, predictably, these energy sources are typically added on top of existing sources, helping to grow the capitalist economy. York writes that “Non-hydro renewable [energy] sources have a positive coefficient, indicating the opposite of displacement, but this coefficient is not significantly different from 0, indicating that renewables tend to simply be added to the energy mix without displacing fossil fuels.”[xvii] Another study in China had similar results, finding that “Non-hydro alternative energy did not show statistically significant displacement effect in any of the six regional grids.”[xviii]At a global level (which is ultimately the only significant scope for global warming), the burning of coal, oil, and gas has grown significantly even as wind and solar have boomed.[xix]

After five years of research, one climate solutions lab found that even “a wholesale adoption of renewable energy… would not have resulted in significant reductions of carbon dioxide emissions” and concluded that “Trying to combat climate change exclusively with today’s renewable energy technologies simply won’t work.”[xx]

Socialists have long argued that centralized planning and the lack of a growth imperative would allow non-capitalist societies to adopt new technologies cautiously and rationally. This remains a largely untested hypothesis in our era of global ecological crisis, but regardless, this is not what Our Children’s Trust is promoting. Instead, they chose to promote unproven and extremely expensive carbon capture technology (as one recent headline reads, “Best Carbon Capture Facility In World Emits 25 Times More CO2 Than Sequestered”[xxi]), electric cars, and energy efficiency which hasn’t made a dent in growth in consumption. In truth, efficiency within capitalism is almost certain to lead to Jevon’s Paradox: more profit, more investment, and more growth in resource use.[xxii]

“Green Cities” and Market Failures

Even dense, walkable cities—a favorite of “green growth” and de-growth advocates alike probably represent an illusory solution. As urban planning professor Michael Neuman succinctly explains, “Since 1960, while human population has doubled [and the majority of the world’s population has moved to cities], the global economy has quadrupled, and resource consumption quintupled,” he says. “Thus, we are getting less efficient and less sustainable as we move to cities, not more, contrary to popular belief and professional dogma.”[xxiii] Study after study from locations as widely spaced as Iran, Taiwan, and the Netherlands have shown little or no reduction in energy consumption resulting from increased urban density.

As with other market-based measures for environmental protection, carbon tax schemes have been almost completely ineffective in lowering emissions. For example, the European market is flooded with allowances, and has at best reduced emissions by 2 or 3 percent across the continent.[xxiv] At worst, it has simply incentivized pollution outsourcing and “carbon laundering” as seen most prominently in the Volkswagen emissions case.

Given these realities, even a positive ruling in the Our Children’s Trust case wouldn’t significantly slow or stop global climate destabilization. Direct approaches, like stopping fossil fuel extraction, are not discussed in their strategy, and there is no critique of capitalism apparent either.

Some proponents argue that major policy proposals like The Green New Deal or lawsuits like the Our Children’s Trust cases represent organizing focal points which expand the scope of acceptable debate.[xxv] This is certainly true. But while false solutions to the problems of capitalism are always acceptable to ruling class, they will never solve the problems they purport to address. It is past time to build explicitly anti-capitalist organizations to address the ecological crisis, and to arm them with effective (read: revolutionary) methods.

The Necessity of Dismantling Industrial Capitalism

The reason Our Children’s Trust isn’t tackling this issue is likely the same reason The Green New Deal didn’t include a proposal to shut down the fossil fuel industry. As Brad Hornick writes in Resilience, “[Stopping anthropogenic climate disruption] implies a radical retrenchment or collapse of the dominant industries and infrastructure based upon fossil fuel production, including automobiles, aircraft, shipping, petrochemical, synthetic fabrics, construction, agribusiness, industrial agriculture, packaging, plastic production (disposables economy), and the war industries.”

In other words, stopping climate chaos requires an end to capitalism, to much of the global economy, and to U.S. hegemony. This is not popular in society, nor is it politically acceptable—even thinkable—in courtrooms. The U.S. court system will never order the dismantling of the global economy and of U.S. empire. In the 19th century, Mikhail Bakunin wrote that “The supreme law of the State is self-preservation at any cost.” This remains true today.

Legally speaking, judges can rule anything they want, as long as they can justify it using legal precedent. But there are also specific legal and doctrinal barriers that confine all judges who sincerely believe in the structure of American law. Namely, as mentioned earlier, the notion that nature is property, that property can be rightfully destroyed or consumed by its owner, and the principles of corporate rights all stand in the way in the significant legal change. Further, even favorable court rulings would depend on the Executive and Legislative branches of the U.S. government, as well as on police, military, and other Federal employees, to enforce such a legal shift.

To rely on the law alone is to concede to a never-ending tug of war—an endless battle which the ruling class wages using billions in lobbying dollars. But institutions are not monolithic. Ideological power struggles within them can change the material conditions for resistance taking place within the broader culture. And there is some promise in all of these legal strategies. For example, the Rights of Nature approach has the possibility to instill a new, fundamental respect for the integrity of the natural world throughout certain populations. The climate necessity defense approach has promise for protecting activists who engage in non-violent direct action (which we should note has been thus far entirely ineffective in stopping the murder of the planet). Therefore, the promise these new legal approaches represent is primarily cultural. In military terminology, these are shaping actions, not decisive ones.[xxvi]

Reform Will Not Halt The Crisis

These legal strategies may change the framing conditions and lead to reform. But as the last 50 years can attest, reforms will not be enough to halt the ecological crisis. At worst, ill-fated movements can divert valuable resources and energy into dead-end efforts. Left historians do not look kindly on Nelson Mandela’s pro-capitalist turn late in life, but he articulated an important consideration when he justified his decision to create the Unkhonte We Sizwe, an armed underground insurgency, writing that “There is no moral goodness in using an ineffective weapon.”[xxvii]

Modern movements would do well to consider this.

David Brower, the founder of Earth Island Institute and Friends of the Earth, and former director of the Sierra Club once said, “All I have done in my career is to slow the rate at which things get worse.” In this historical moment, we don’t have time to merely slow the destruction. We need to rapidly halt it and to reverse it. This means choosing effective methods, and at a minimum, dismantling capitalism.

The struggle to halt the ecological crisis will not be primarily fought in courtrooms, legislated by policymakers, sold by corporations, or decided by foundation-funded NGOs. It will be fought by people’s movements and by revolutionaries who are willing to fight for the survival of the human species and the global community of biotic life. That’s something that the courts will never do.


Max Wilbert is an organizer, writer, and wilderness guide who grew up in Seattle’s post-WTO anti-globalization and undoing racism movement. He been involved in campaigns against sexual violence, destruction of the planet, and racism for 18 years.

This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.

Featured image: Jared Rodriguez / Truthout, CC BY-NC-ND 2.0.

References

[i] Johnson v. M’Intosh, 21 U.S.  543 (1823)

[ii] Frederick Bastiat. The Law. 1850.

[iii] Thomas L. Friedman. “A Manifesto for the Fast World. New York Times Magazine (March 28, 1999).

[iv] Although it should be noted there are an estimated 40 million literal slaves in the world today, mostly in forced manual labor, service industries, and sexual slavery.

[v] Intan Suwandi, R. Jamil Jonna, and John Bellamy Foster. “Global Commodity Chains and the New Imperialism.” Monthly Review 70, no. 10 (March 2019): 1-24.

[vi] “Worldwide Extraction of Materials Triples in Four Decades, Intensifying Climate Change and Air Pollution.” International Resource Panel, U.N. Environmental Programme (20 July 2016).

[vii] “Media Release: Nature’s Dangerous Decline ‘Unprecedented’; Species Extinction Rates ‘Accelerating.’” Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services (May 6, 2019).

[viii] Jason Hickel. “Global inequality may be much worse than we think.” The Guardian (April 8, 2016).

[ix] Andrea Dworkin and Catherine A. MacKinnon. Pornography and Civil Rights: A New Day for Women’s Equality (Minneapolis: Organizing Against Pornography, 1988).

[x] “Voting Rights Act Dismantled by Supreme Court.” Democracy Chronicles (June 25, 2013)..

[xi] “Roe v. Wade: The Constitutional Right to Access Safe, Legal Abortion.” Planned Parenthood Action Fund.

[xii] Michelle Chen. “Trump Moves to Gut the Clean Water Act.” The Nation (December 13, 2018).

[xiii] Gordon Lafer. “The Legislative Attack on American Wages and Labor Standards, 2011–2012.” Economic Policy Institute (October 31, 2013).

[xiv] Subodh Varma. “World Bank: abolish minimum wage, other labour laws.” Monthly Review Online (April 24, 2018).

[xv] Andrew Buncombe. “Anti-pipeline campaigners found not guilty by judge because ‘protest against climate change crisis’ was legal ‘necessity.’” The Independent (March 27, 2018).

[xvi] “Pathway to Climate Recovery.” Our Children’s Trust.

[xvii] Richard York. “Do alternative energy sources displace fossil fuels?” Nature Climate Change 2 (2012): 441-443.

[xviii] Yuanan Hu and Hefa Cheng. “Displacement efficiency of alternative energy and trans-provincial imported electricity in China.” Nature Communications 8 (2017): 14590.

[xix] Barry Saxifrage. “Fossil fuel expansion crushes renewables.” National Observer (September 20, 2017).

[xx] Ross Koningstein and David Fork. “What It Would Really Take to Reverse Climate Change.” IEEE Spectrum (November 18, 2014).

[xxi] Michael Barnard. “Best Carbon Capture Facility In World Emits 25 Times More CO2 Than Sequestered.” CleanTechnica (June 12, 2019).

[xxii] John Bellamy Foster, Brett Clark and Richard York. “Capitalism and the Curse of Energy Efficiency.” Monthly Review 62, no. 6 (November 1, 2010).

[xxiii] Alan Oakes. “Revisiting Neuman’s ‘Compact City Fallacy.’” Green Building and Design Magazine (2013).

[xxiv] “The EU Emissions Trading System.” European Commission Climate Action (July 22, 2016).

[xxv] Carol Dansereau, John Foran, Ted Franklin, Brad Hornick, Sandra Lindberg, Jennifer Scarlott. “One, Two, … Many Green New Deals: An Ecosocialist Roundtable.” Resilience (February 26, 2019).

[xxvi] “ADP 3-0. Unified Land Operations.” Department of the Army (2011).

[xxvii] Nelson Mandela. Long Walk to Freedom (Little Brown & Co., 1994).

13 thoughts on “The Legal System Will Not Save the Planet”

  1. Please correct: “McDonalds cannot flourish without MacDonald Douglass” should read:
    “McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas”.

    The aircraft manufacturer merged with Boeing in 1967.

  2. Let me break this sentence up into two parts:

    One:

    “The struggle to halt the ecological crisis will not be primarily fought in courtrooms, legislated by policymakers, sold by corporations, or decided by foundation-funded NGOs.”

    ok, quite true. I agree with your reasoning about this.

    Two:

    ” It will be fought by people’s movements and by revolutionaries who are willing to fight for the survival of the human species and the global community of biotic life.”

    Archimedes wrote, “Give me a place to stand and with a lever I will move the whole world”.

    A lever requires an overwhelming force on one side.

    Where do you see this overwhelming force when 90% of the population, as normal human beings, think in the short term, and have everything to lose from a real change?

    Starting from not finding plastic-wrapped Chinese fruit out of season at the local supermarket, or not being able to park their SUV wherever they want, or having an iPhone with coltan in it?

    Real “people’s movements”, of ordinary good human beings, will be like the Gilets Jaunes fighting small hikes in gas costs, or the Dutch farmers who don’t want to be the first to pay for climate change.

    Here in Florence, Italy, every politican – who knows the “people” much better than we intellectuals do – has to promise a bigger airport, an enlargement of the motorway, more parking areas, otherwise he knows he will lose out to the others who promise the same thing.

    You may tell all these parents and young people and workers, as Johnny Cash put it, that in the long run God will cut them down anyway, but that will not turn them into a “revolutionary people’s movement”.

  3. Full disclosure: I’m a misanthropic Earth First! campaigner from the 1980s, and I became an attorney in order to practice environmental law. I never thought that practicing environmental law would save the world, but that it could be a type of holding action to save some natural places and some species.

    I’ll take this essay one step further to its logical conclusion: Revolutions and fighting alone or even primarily will not fix the problem of humans destroying the Earth either. Instead, it will take a major change of human consciousness to do so.

    The problem is that the massive power of humans to do things like alter the climate, destroy ecosystems, and drive species to extinction, combined with humans’ lack of mental and spiritual evolution of not feeling at one with the Earth and the rest of life here (and in the entire universe really), not adequately loving and respecting all life, and hubristically & egotistically not recognizing things like the Earth, the air, the water, and the sky as life, causes and allows humans to do whatever benefits or seems to benefit themselves at the expense and regardless of the harm it causes to others (the Earth, ecosystems, species, etc.). THAT’s what needs to be fixed.

    Guerrilla warfare, as advocated by DGR, does not work and is doomed to failure unless the majority of the population is on your side (or if you have massive power on your side, but if you had that you wouldn’t need guerrilla warfare). Not only do we not have the majority on our side, but quite the contrary we are a tiny minority, just like the remaining hunter-gatherers. As the saying goes, support for the environment might be broad, but it’s very shallow, and the vast majority doesn’t give a damn about the environment if it conflicts with their income or even their conveniences.

    We should use whatever methods we can and the end justifies the means when it comes to protecting and restoring the natural world and all that lives there. I don’t agree that the methods derided here should not be used, nor do I agree that some type of guerrilla warfare would be magically successful when the vast majority of humans is not only not on our side, but would actively fight against us. The real war here is for the hearts and minds of the human race, and until & unless that’s won, we’re fighting a losing battle. We need to keep fighting, but we should not delude ourselves that any of these methods has a chance of working without humans taking a major mental and spiritual evolutionary step.

  4. Superb essay, excellent research, thorough footnotes, powerful presentation.

    Yes property and profit-based capitalism must be abolished to prevent human extinction

    I agree that the tug of war to slow the rate at which things get worse is a total failure.

    But what to do … ?

    Perhaps we should begin work to imagine a way of human social organization that values human life, the Planet Earth, ecology, all life … in preparation for what must certainly be coming: the total self-destruction suicide of capitalism and US and Western imperial supremacy.

    Or does capitalism have an infinite supply of band aids and green re-branding and ‘ah feel yore pain’ and ‘hope and change you can believe in’ to keep this zombie apocalypse going on and on and on … ?

  5. The writer did not deride the approaches and methods identified in the article. He DECONSTRUCTED them! He took them apart, chapter and verse, root and branch to show them as chimera, perhaps useful as a holding action but ultimately failure strategies.

    Moreover, besides being a misanthropic Earth First! attorney type, you are imprisoned by dualistic thinking, dualisms, binary oppositions, suggesting forced either/or or true/false choices when there is a continuum. Ironically, this is the typical sort of flawed reasoning employed by right wing no-nothings on, among oher things, climate science and evolution. (“Either God is right or evolution is right!)

    You write as if you were an ultimate authority, master of the universe, a god armed with Zeusian lightning bolts that are reason and evidence and footnote and quotation free, almost God-like in your power and superiority.

    Your response is clearly marred by faith-and belief-based assertions for which you offer no evidence forensic or otherwise (hello Trump and hello Russiagate for that matter). They are also testable assertions that reason and evidence could prove or disprove, based on the preponderance of the evidence, counselor, or beyond reasonable doubt.

    It is not clear in what way you placed Earth, First but the time to come up with something besides mere palliative care is NOW.

    But then again, perhaps things are so far gone, particularly with Russia and China doing gangbusters climate busting business (planning the BIGGEST petroleum refining plant ON THE PLANET!) , that palliative care might be the most humane thing to do.

  6. @Thom Prentice
    First, I don’t appreciate the personal attack and will not respond to any of those comments.

    As to your almost relevant comments, I never said that it was either/or, that’s your incorrect conclusion from a clear lack of reading comprehension. Nothing I said was dualistic, quite the contrary. I said that we “should use whatever methods we can” to protect and restore the natural environment. Nothing dualistic about that.

  7. @Miguel Martinez
    Excellent points, I totally agree. The writer and DGR have this fantasy that if they can just get some guerrilla action going, they can stop the humanpox, but it won’t work. As I said, this war is for the heart and minds. I have nothing against guerrilla actions if they at least do as much good as whatever harm they may cause — and they certainly feel good to those of us rightfully pissed off about human destruction of the natural environment and all that lives there — but what these people are proposing would turn the vast majority of humans into hardcore anti-environmentalists in a heartbeat, would cause even more of a military- and police dictatorship, and would cause even more infrastructure to be built to protect the Earth-destroying crap.

  8. DGR does a fantastic job deconstructing “official” environmentalism: why it won’t work and why we won’t get out of this mess with a lot of solar panels; and Lierre Keith’s work is something I think of historic importance.
    But the problem is that even official environmentalism is too much for the majority of humanity.
    The Italian government has proposed “doing something for the environment”: not abolishing oil or capitalism, just a 4 cent tax on disposable plastic bottles.
    This has created such an outrage in the general population that the government may well lose the coming local elections: what was once Italy’s most “leftist” area may now go over to the right (also) because of this.

  9. I would like to add that I appreciate how DGR has approved both my comment and Jeff Hoffman’s even though we do criticise basic points in the author’s reasoning. As I also appreciate their approving a strong counter-criticism. There is a tendency today to crush debate and avoid reasoning: I think we are all adults and able to stand up to criticism, and maybe even change our views in light of it.

  10. Again, I fully agree Miguel. We’re basically all on the same side here. Strategies and tactics seem to be the biggest areas of contention. (I do disagree with what Lierre Keith wants, which is some sort of pastoral lifestyle.)

  11. Jeff writes,

    “Strategies and tactics seem to be the biggest areas of contention”

    Of course. The first thing we always forget is that mammals, including human beings, are wired to fear the very first rustle in the savanna. And to always suspect each other’s motives, to remember wrongs rather than rights (post-trauma stress is far stronger than post-joy happiness) and look for the worst in what the other says (this is a rather right-wing site, but the reasoning is hard to deny
    https://quillette.com/2019/10/31/the-danger-is-real-why-were-all-wired-for-constructive-conspiracism/)

    The “people” will not only not rise up to overthrow the supermarkets they go to; they will actively fight anybody who tries to do so. And they will suspect their motives, and will remember every negative thing they did, and none of the positive ones.

    This is not a critique of “the people”, if I look at myself, I see the same mechanisms at work: I too am commenting, out of all that Max Wilbert wrote, only on what I disagree with.

  12. I liked this article as well as the comments to this article.
    I think that we need it all. I think DGR’s more advocay for militant actions is beautiful in and out of itself despite what the mass of industrial humans thinks. THey wi never be on “our side” anyway. Heck, even with the whole mig mainstream environmental movement with Greta Thunberg as some kind of leader I see next to nothing that actually takes on the scope of the problem.
    Too many has this faith that just more technology will fix things. That we can have this industrial lifestyle as well as a liing planet as well as the tremendous population overshoot we as a species have.

    And I have no effing idea what we should do. I think all of you that has responded here seems to be very much fighting your battles to try and save at least something, Whether you use militant action or use the legal system to try and gain something.

    I liked this article a lot but that don’t mean that I don’t think ppl can try and use the human system in place to try and achieve something too.
    To quote Derrick Jensen who was one of the co-founders of DGR “there is a difference between those who do something and those who do nothing”.

  13. I see few bigger movements going on. (keeping the recency/confirmation bias in mind)

    Fighting or disrupting from inside.
    DGR and ER most visible, I think this is not the mindset that is going to make a huge dent, although I wish it would. Simply because of inconvenience to majority.

    Educating, advocating.
    We know, and we don’t how to educate, depends if people want to listen. Gréta is taking a lead at this.

    Shifting the mindset.
    The psychedelics reneisance happening right now probably the biggest (if not the only) capacity to bring THE changes. However the changes only happen if we are ready for them. This is the true path to win the hearts, and biggest potential for majority to wake up from the sleep.

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